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to afghanistan. there's been an explosion on the u.s. military side of the kabul airport. they are still trying to determine whether a grenade detonated during a training exercise or whether this might have been a suicide bomber, but generally, if you're talking about the kabul airport, how secure is an airport like that? >> it's multiple protection, but there are afghan security forces in that part of the compound, so the question is, as you expand there, the afghan police and army rapidly, will they be infiltrated. the answer is of course they will. we'll have to deal with that and it's going to be a growing concern. by the way, in the background now as we remind ourselves, is the coming offensive in kandahar, so the taliban are going to come out swinging here in the spring to try and widen the area of conflict. they can't actually stand up to
u.s. military forces, so they're going to spread this conflict around afghanistan to the extent they can. >> thank you very much. secretary of state hillary clinton has canceled her trip to finland because of ongoing problems with volcanic ash. meantime, some flights are resuming in europe, five days after the cloud moved in, hung over most of the continent there. 50 planes with passengers will land in germany today and scottish air space will open tomorrow, but that pales in comparison to the flights canceled over the last four days. bob bazell has more. >> reporter: hello, contessa. today, the volcano plume, which is the amount of ash that's coming out, went down to between 8 and 10,000 feet. yesterday, it was 30,000 feet. that may be a very good sign that the eruption is coming to an end, but nobody really knows
because this volcano hasn't been studied very much and we don't know if it's going to continue to lessen or get worse. at the bottom of the mountain, it is a horrible sight. it's like being in a brutal sand storm. you can barely open your eyes. that's the stuff, the ash, that comes out of the volcano that's causing such a problem for airplanes in europe. now, the question is, it certainly is that bad near the mountain and that makes it bad for humans and animals, but is it that bad in the air. that's the argument going on with aircraft specialists right now. but here, a beautiful day in iceland. a little bit cold. the volcano is down for one day, but it's not gone yet. also coming up, the concerns about another volcano there in iceland, katla, which is a much
bigger volcano, erupting. we're going to talk with bill nye, the science guy. american's rights to carry their guns. in virginia, they're showing up in a national park, packing heat, legally. as a result of president obama signing a law to allow visitors to carry weapons in national parks. in washington, d.c., they're showing up without guns. they can't carry firearms in the city limits, but they want to change that. >> reporter: we have a protest where people are allowed to carry guns. here in the district where they have stricter gun laws, they can't. as for a noontime rally, it's a pretty good sized gathering. several hundred people. many from around the country coming here to send a message that they're not going to allow
their rights to be taken away and that they're going to exercise their rights to free speech. across the river in virginia, people are carrying firearms, but are being very safe about it. they are going through inspections and have to put little plastic tags on their firearms to show whether they're loaded. they're carrying arm bands to show they've taken safety lessons. these advocates say they are not the extremists. those are the ones who want to take away their rights to bare arms. and it is odd that the media would show up for people exercising their rights. we're going to bring in a couple of guys who came from delaware. you're within shouting distance of the white house. what's your message to washington? >> that the second amendment is -- we have the right to self-defense, the right to keep and bare arms and we'd like to
keep it that way. >> reporter: are you afraid the government's going to take away that right? >> there's always that threat. that's why your founders re-enacted the second amendment. natural law. it allows us to defend ourselves if we are ever threatened and so we are here to support that. >> reporter: we're standing in the district which just 15, 20 years ago, was the murder capital of the united states. there are a lot of people who say guns kill, guns are dangerous, we need fewer guns. not more of them. what's your answer? >> guns are an inanimate object. they don't kill people. it's the human beings behind him that use that tool as a weapon, good or bad. it's not the gun. it's the people. we have to look at the individuals. what's their intention. >> reporter: thank you very much for your time. their point is that they are patriots, they're sending a message to their government,
they don't want their guns taken away, but people on the other side of the issue aren't going to go quietly. this is a critical election year. >> the one debate in d.c., the one rally there, it seems very focused on the right to bare arms and defending that right. the other one in virginia, my big question on that gun rally where everyone has firearms, what's the point here? if it's a second amendment rally in virginia, they already have the full right to carry weapons in that park. if this is about the president's policies, how does brandishing loaded weapons relate to the issue at hand? and we have a precedence here with america's rev lush nar period. you can reach out at twitter and i look forward to hearing from you. the organizers of that rally in virginia say they didn't intend it, but it falls on the 15st anniversary of the oklahoma city bombing.
the bomber, an antigovernment activist, timothy mcveigh. >> we remember our friends and family in the oklahoma water resources board building. trudy, jean, robert -- >> the name of each of the 168 men, women and children murdered by mcveigh were honored at a ceremony. coming up laterer, i'll talk about this with janet napolitano. that's at 12:30 eastern time. a connecticut liquor store owner turns the tables on a robber. and amanda knox's parents' next move to free their daughter. their attorney discusses their appeal. just ahead. so, to turn those vegetables into campbell's condensed soup,
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all right, we have breaking news from france. that country says some european countries can gradually resume air travel in designated caution zones. many thousands of flights have been canceled over europe because of the ash from the volcano in iceland. but now, france says these european countries can gradually resume their air traffic in certain zones. we'll stay on top of that. try to narrow down what it means. a washington, d.c. community is reeling from a local hero. brian bets took the job as principal where he became known for his commitment to the
students there. he was found shot to death, leaving the people who love him to figure out why. norah o'donnell has more. >> i was actually at the school the past two days and the students are devastated. they are mourning the loss of their beloved principal. he was just 42 years old and hailed as a hero in the d.c. public school system. >> folks, 8:35, let's start to move in, please. >> reporter: he was a principal who changed children's lives. >> i used to get into a lot of fights and be very negative. >> reporter: so, what changed? >> mr. betts. >> reporter: his message to kids was simple. >> if you come to this school and do what it is we're instructing you to do, you can pick whatever path you want in your life. >> reporter: hand-picked by michelle reid to transform the under performing school at garnet patterson, but on thursday, betts was found shot to death inside his silver
spring, maryland home. >> it's a senseless tragedy. just a tremendous loss. >> reporter: his house has a separate, tragic history. in 2002, a father and his daughter were brutally murdered in the same house by an intruder who is now behind bars. >> no sign of forced entry into the house. >> reporter: still, at the school, there is a deep sense of loss. >> i don't know why anybody would want to kill him or harm him in any way. he was a good person. he was a good man. >> i just spoke with the police a couple of minutes ago. there's still no break in the case. they do have what they call a good lead and that is that the principal's suv has been found in the district of columbia, abandoned, 14 miles away from the home. they say there's been no -- no murder weapon recovered, but also won't say if they know who
was the last person to see betts. >> devastating. thank you. a liquor store robber got more than he bargained for in connecticut. he fired a warning shot, then burst through the store. a customer came main and grabbe him. that gave the store owner time to get a bat and start hitting the guy. the thief got away with the cash and police are still looking for him. a house on marco island florida has racked up as much civil fines as its worst. earning 500 bucks more in fines every day. overgrown grass, ripped screens and a crumbling sea wall are all part of the violations, but the home is in foreclosure and nobody can find the owner. a florida church held a joyous celebration over the weekend, celebrating the safe
return of nadia bloom, who was lost for four days last week. the 11-year-old was rescued by a man who knew her from church. the church's pastor called her on the phone during services yesterday. >> we want to let you know we love you very, very much and can't wait to see you, okay? we love you. bye. >> she is still in the hospital, but is expected to return home soon. we're getting exclusive video from the family of josie ratley, the florida teen beaten by another teen over a text message. it's the first video of josie recovering in the hospital. she recently regained consciousness, but remains in intensive care, unable to speak or communicate. this morning, her mom described the moment she awoke. >> it was fantastic. i just took my breath away when she was able to actually look at
me and took her left hand to reach me, to hug me. i mean, it was a great, great feeling. >> josie's accused attacker was charged over the weekend as an adult with premeditated murder. from stranded passengers to the bottom line, we'll examine the volcano's impact. the impact on travel is among the most viewed stories on msnbc.com. others include 78% of americans say they can't trust washington. that kind of emotion is fuelling the tea party movement and creates a toxic environment for the nation's leader running for re-election. it also shows that kind of attitude is very, very mainstream. the supreme court is taking up a sexting case involving a cop who used his phone to send messages
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breaking news here. an update on when planes are going to fly. the united kingdom air space will open tomorrow, the 20th of april. the manchester airport will be open from 9:00 tomorrow unless they see deteriorating conditions. it's some of the progress we're seeing. we're just now getting other breaking news from pittsburgh,
pennsylvania. here's a worker now in a transmission tower that apparently is trapped there, stuck up on top of this transmission tower. what looks to be a radio or television transmission tower. the giant antennas and you can see the satellite dishes there posted on it. it seems as we're seeing the chopper zoom in, there's the worker who's now trapped in the middle of this sort of steel triangle. we're not getting word on whether his lines are tangled. they usually wear harnesses when working on these towers. it may be it is tangled in there and he can't get it undone, but we're hearing that he's stuck and as you could see when we were on a wider shot, he's way, way up there. this is from pittsburgh, pennsylvania, watching live now as this -- repairman and now, looks like there's two people here.
whether one of them is a rescuer or both were up here doing repairs and maintenance on this transmission line. this tower in pittsburgh. again, the details we're getting at this point, sketchy at best and limited. but the video, stark and dramatic. the guy in the blue hard hat now in the center of the line and then on the right hand side, you can see someone wearing dark clothes up next to him. we're being told that the worker is stuck. in pennsylvania here. in the pittsburgh area, we're being told. and this is an area it looks like that has several transmissi transmission towers that are related to tv transmissions often or radio communications often, but that in particular looks like a radio or television transmission tower. having seen a lot of those in my history. we're going to look at this for
a little bit, try to get some more information about whether there are two workers stuck or whether one might be on the way to rescue the worker on this tower. as soon as we get it, we'll pass that along. you probably learned it as a kid. look, but don't touch the art. at one exhibit in new york, some adults can't keep their hands to themselves. an exhibit at the museum of modern art features nude models facing each other in narrow passageways. the models are complaining visitors have groped them. bridgette is the director of art for the gallery. tell me what the problem is. >> the problem is that certain visitors felt that it is okay to touch the models or say inappropriate things, basically, just violated their personal space. >> now, i was just in the museum of modern art and in most of the rooms that you go into, there is
a security guard standing by making sure that visitors -- in the moma, there's no barriers per se, so you're expected to keep a little space between you and the art and if not, the guard will say something to you. >> exactly. sometimes you can see someone going up an getting a touch on the painting. the models aren't behind glass, so, the touch can happen. of course, the guards have been very good and have really taken care of it. >> what's the reaction from the models? >> one model just sort of turned to the guard and said, this man is touching me inappropriately and snapped back into performance mode. >> can you tell me about that exhibit because it's not every day that you go into the museum and you see naked people. >> it's disconcerting and the one in particular where there has been a lot of issues, it's two people facing each other in
a passageway. but you don't have to go through the passageway. if you chose to do that, you're going to be uncomfortable and you're supposed to be. >> when i went on my visit, i did not see the naked people and i was too embarrassed to say to my husband, no, we have to wait until we find these nude models. thanks for coming in. back to breaking news in pittsburgh. it looks as though we have emergency crews now on the way to this transmission tower. this giant antenna trying to get a worker who's stranded on the tower. there are some published reports now that the worker may have been injured and is having trouble climbing down the tower in this area of pittsburgh. our affiliate is saying that the guy broke his ankle, which would tend to interfere with a ability to climb down the tower. therefore, you are seeing the emergency crews on the way.
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a quick look at top stories we're following today. it could be the biggest blow to al-qaeda to iraq. the top leader in iraq is dead. the pentagon confirms that abu ayyub al masri was killed the weekend. in oklahoma city, family and friends are remembering those killed in the bombing at the federal building. in the nation's capitol, gun's rights advocates are demonstrating fighting for their right to pack heat. the ordeal could be soon over for the air travelers. restrictions over scottish air space could be lifted tomorrow as well as other airports in great britain planning to open tomorrow. it has been a nightmare for passengers. sleeping on the floor or airport
cots for days. some say they're running out of money patience. 750,000 passengers have been stranded as the crisis in the air continues now for a fifth day. >> depressing, tiring, nerve wra racking. >> everybody's gotten an extra nine to 12 days in washington. >> yeah, that's great if you want it. and although we've seen some of the flights taking off today, the bag log must be overwhelming. steve watt is a spokesman for the air travel association. france says some of the european countries can open up air space tomorrow. they have to stay in certain zones. how do you manage to get this backlog of people to where they're supposed to go? >> it's not going to be easy and it's going to take days. just because we're hearing the good news about the air space opening tomorrow, i don't think consumers can think that all of
a sudden, they're going to be able to get on the first flight out in the morning. some of the bigger airlines can add more aircraft, but it's fwoing to take days to get people back home. >> the fact that the european union sort of took action and grounded these flights, what do you make of that response? >> we came out fairly critical today about that. we think it was a slow response. obviously, safety is the number one priority for the industry. we don't want to send planes up in harm's way. what was frustrating for the airlines was the lack of coordination among the different countries in europe. how the decisions were being made. we don't know whatever benchmark or standard they decided upon, so in europe, when you have a very congested air space, you have individual countries making decisions, so we had this patchwork of closetures. >> what's the economic impact? >> it's tremendous. last week, we estimated
conservatively that airlines were losing $200 million a day in revenue. this is day five, so over a billion dollars in revenue lost, which is already struggling to recover from the economic recession that has really struck all over the world. >> and steve, is there any chance that -- i know there's already been talk of the airlines being compensated somehow for all the loss they've had, but what do you think the likelihood of that is? >> we're asking mostly for the eu government has very -- eu in general, has strict passenger rights rules. more so than the u.s. that require airlines by law to provide compensation in case of delayed or canceled flights, so we're asking for relief from these rules, which we think are silly to start with. they're restrictive and vague. so, we're looking for relief for these eu compensation rules so
you can get people back home. >> i bet there are a lot of passengers themselves who would like to get some compensation depending on how much they've shelled out. thanks a lot. in cancun, mexico, a television producer remains the only suspect in the murder of his wife. police have questioned the husband, however no charging have been filed. the body was discovered by police two weeks ago while the family was on vacation. this morning, we heard from monica's family, including her mother, in an exclusive interview. the mom spoke at the loss of her daughter through the help of a translator. >> and the way she was murdered, she finds herself numbed and desperate. she didn't know what to do. >> in the meantime, mexican law enforcement continued to review the evidence. an earthquake survival story from china tops our world view
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most are young women under the age of 30. in the united states, a somber remembrance marking the 15th anniversary of the oklahoma city bombing, beginning with moments of complete quiet. in fact, despite the bag pipes, there were 168 seconds of silence. these moments in stark contrast to the chaos and devastation unleashed 15 years ago when timothy mcveigh detonated a truck packed with 5,000 pounds of explosives. janet napolitano reminded the nation we need to remain vigilant. >> in the 15 years since this attack, the reality of terrorism has come home to us again and our adversaries continue to look for ways to exploit our openness and to take innocent lives.
>> as families remembered their loved ones in and around the nation's capitol, gun rights advocates have been demonstrating. in virginia, they're packing heat in a national park and near the washington monument, another rally. this one without firearms. janet napolitano joins me now from oklahoma city. it's good to see you on this somber occasion. i know you were involved in the investigation of the attack as u.s. attorney in arizona. are you seeing similarities between the culture erupting across our nation now and then? >> well, i think throughout our nation's history, we've gone through periods where there's been anger, where there's been a lot of rhetoric, overheated rhetoric, that sort of thing. we see some of that now. we certainly saw some in early 1990s and you know, we don't
perhaps like it or whatever, but it is rhetoric. it's when it really crosses the line into plotting and carrying out the kind of terrorist act that mcveigh did that law enforcement needs to be involved. >> about a year ago, you took a lot of heat for warning about vulnerable veterans, for instance, returning from war and being inducted, being wooed into right wing extremism. has our nation made enroads combatting that? >> we actually view veterans as part of the solution. we want their expertise. their dedicated service to our country. they've already demonstrated. we want them to come work for the department of hoemeland security. we're actively recruiting veterans. we are way beyond that early
report and into really how do we work with veterans and use their dedication to the country in a positive way. >> the southern poverty law center's verresearch shows a massive spike in new militias and patriot groups. a new survey that shows 78% of those who responded in the new survey don't trust big government. 78%, secretary napolitano, that is not fringe emotion. that is mainstream, widespread feelings. does it surprise you? does it concern you? >> well, there's a big difference between the pew research survey and armed militias planning to blow up federal buildings, planning to kill innocent men, women and children. it is that line, there's a line there that you cannot cross. we understand or everyone understands that in our society,
one of our key values is freedom of expression, freedom of belief and the like. what is not acceptable is when that crosses over into actual planning for and carrying out acts of violence and terrorism. anyone who's ever walked through the museum here in oklahoma city would recognize the difference. >> how do you characterize this virginia rally, where demonstrators are showing up, packing heat. it's not necessarily a second amendment rally. it's a take back or constitution, take back our government rally. one of the organizers furious with the president's policies. is that, to you, crossing a line? >> you know, if -- no, not if it's legal to carry weapons in the fashion in which they're being carried and not if what is being done is talking about how furious people are.
again, i think where security is focused is our focus is the overall. terrorism throughout. be it internationally derived or be it domestic. it could come in myriad of different ways. the fbi has another important role here as well. but we're all very cognizant of the difference between anger and anger expressed and plotting criminal activity or terrorist attacks like oklahoma city. >> i'd be remiss if i didn't ask you about developments today. two leaders of al-qaeda in iraq have been killed. the big head honcho there. what's your response and how will that change united states' war on terror? >> i've been in oklahoma city all day today in commemoration, so i haven't been able to confirm that, so let me not comment until i can confirm.
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breaking news now. flights will start taking off again in europe. france says european countries can gradually resume air traffic tomorrow. but there will be tight security precautions. joining me now, bill nye, the science guy. does this mean now that the ash is disbursing? >> well, it's not being shot as high into the atmosphere, so
whatever's going on inside the volcano has calmed down. >> is there still concern about this neighboring volcano, katla, erupting as well? >> it will always be a concern. it's where the north american plate is running into the european plate. and the volcano, it's interesting. they don't happen right where the plates collide, they happen where one is being folded. there's a whole string of them there in iceland, so you might think if one goes, the other will. but the other argument is if one goes, that relieves the steam pressure underneath the volcano so that maybe the other ones won't go, but this is geology. it takes place on time scales that are for most people, literally unimaginable. if you have a volcano erupting for a couple of weeks, you can't tell if it's going to keep
going. >> do a lot of scientists keeping their eye on that. anything to these moving tech tonic plates, volcanos erupting, earthquakes happening around the globe? >> i remind everybody, there are about a thousand pretty big earthquakes a year around the world. if you're a psychic, you should be able to predict an earthquake. you should be able to do that. almost three a day. just this volcano, it's not especially big, it's just right in the -- right upwind of the busiest airport in the world. so many international flights come and go from that place, it's having an enormous affect on the economy. when mount st. helens erupted, it was a big deal -- >> i appreciate you putting this in perspective, thank you very
much. the odd thing is here when a volcano explodes, there is both a negative and positive impact as well. jeff goodell recently set out to learn more about cutting edge technology and reversing the effects of climate change. he joins me as we kick off green week on msnbc. when you have this ash in the air, it blocks the sunlight. you talked to scientists who are looking at similar ways of trying to reflect back some of that sunlight. >> one of the things that scientists are looking at is putting small particles high up into the atmosphere which can then act as tiny mirrors to reflect away sunlight. only a small amount and you can actually cool down the planet. >> they're also talking about making the clouds more reflective. how would they do that? >> all you have to do is shoot up -- some of the ideas, to
shoot up sea water into clouds over the oceans and make this clouds denser and it reflects away sun licht from the top of the clouds. >> this is one of the major fixes they're looking at, but another involves capturing more carbon dioxide. >> they can actually scrub it out of the atmosphere, like building an iron lung for the planet that would allow us to modulate the level of co2. >> what's the downside to these sort of the, the focus of fixing what we've done wrong as opposed to lowering or burning of fossil fuels. >> this is not a quick fix. it's having high levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere still have major problems like ocean acidification. it's not a fix, but might buy us
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the president will speak out in new york this week, but senate democrats began speaking out today. >> whose side are you on on this one? what more do you need to know? we came to the brink of a financial collapse. what more do you need to know and if we do nothing, it's the status quo. we're vulnerable once again. >> anger boils over at government in a new poll and at progun rallies in washington today. andrew cohen will be joining us. and the clinton interview. the former president with luke russert. and britain reopens some air space today, but still less than a third of europe's 28,000 scheduled flights are taking off. now, the secretary of state, the latest forced to cancel a trip. a trip to finland tomorrow. good day, i'm andrea
mitchell in washington. tim geithner is reaching out to potential republican supporters today meeting later with senator susan collins of maine. we're told the senator will then be holding a news conference. this, as investigators decide whether it was known about goldman sachs. gordon brown and german officialed today calling for separate investigations. william cohen was a wall street banker, his most recent book, "house of cards." greg, first to you. let's talk about tim geithner going to the hill. they're trying to find some traction with republicans. how does the goldman case that has been alleged, how is that affecting the political climate for financial regulation? >> it's interesting because
while the goldman case shouldn't affect the outcome, it probably will. the reason i say it shouldn't is because it's not clear that the regulatory reform bill would have changed either the initiation or outcome of this case. it's important to note that the s.e.c. has had the ability to bring this case under existing powers without this reform being passed. if you look at the details of the allegations, it's not clear that any specific element of the reform bill would have changed the equation, but it will change the dynamics in the sense that the balance of power between democrats and republicans is who can get the public on their side. and so far, the republicans have been quite effective in terms of portraying this bill as encouraging more rather than fewer bailouts. what i think that the goldman case does, it's a reminder, it brings anger back to the front and that plays to the democrats. >> it's interesting, greg, your